Saturday, September 18, 2010


After 5 years of waiting DOMINATION THROUGH IMPURITY, a two – piece from Charlotte / North Carolina with preference for disharmonize and brutal, technical tunes, have released their second album “Masochist”. I have talked with Joe Payne and got some interesting details.

Hi Joe, 5 years is a long time. What have you done since the first D.T.I. album?

Hallo und Guten Tag! Well...directly after the release of "Essence of Brutality", I joined Nile on bass for a couple years, then Divine Heresy, also on bass, following my stint with Nile. I also started my more progressive metal band called Pain After Death. With all of these projects going on, I'm sure one can understand my lack of availability to work on our latest album, "Masochist". I wrote a lot of it by recording the songs with a drum machine on my laptop and sending mp3s to my drummer, Jordan Varela, since I was on the road so much.

Now your new opus “Masochist” is released. Was it worth to wait so long?

To me, the wait was worthwhile in the long run. From 2004 when I started writing the album to 2009, when we actually recorded it, I feel I grew a lot as a musician which if the listener pays attention, you can hear the difference in the writing. I think it made for a very versatile album, overall. The real question is: Was it worth the wait for the fans?

You give your fans a money back guarantee if they don´t like it. Are you kidding? I mean you don´t sell vacuum cleaners or cornflakes!

Haha! That was, for the most part, a joke. I'm surprised somebody payed attention to that post, wherever it was online. In reality, if somebody really hated the album and shipped it back to me, I would refund their money because I take such an immense pride in my work and hope others enjoy it as much as I do.

And that offer is not valid in Utah? Could you explain that “nonsense” to a clueless German?

Haha. Once again, a joke. In a lot of offers you hear on American T.V. or the radio, there's always a disclaimer at the end where a guy speaks fast and says the offer isn't valid in certain states. I just picked Utah because nobody gives a fuck about that state. HAHAHA! (just kidding)

So give me some details about the album!

Well, there's a drum solo on the album that I hate, but I let Jordan keep it in there because it was the only spotlight he got because my amazing talents overshadow him throughout the length of the entire album. Haha! When I was recording vocals he wasn't there and I did a jazzy "scat" vocal part accompanied by a trumpet performance over the whole drum solo and emailed him the track. He was pretty pissed off but thought it was ultimately funny. I thought it sounded better that way, but once again, my amazing talent would have supremely overshadowed his drumming, so I took it off. haha. As for the tracking, Jordan recorded his drum parts in about 4 hours with about 2 hours of minor edits. I recorded all stringed instruments in 14 hours for the album because we were at an expensive studio but I got to spend a week on the vocals since I recorded at my friend, Dan Royer's studio (Still Undead Studio).

Are you maybe a masochist a little, because you torture yourself with that complex and technical music? Or are ideas just flowing out of your mind?

Actually, I think mankind in general has a bit of masochism woven within our mental structures. We tend to destroy ourselves in one way or another and we get off on it. Wars, drug abuse, greed, etc. I don't see my writing as masochistic. I think it's more sadistic because my writing is torture for Jordan at times. haha. I do like to push myself and my musical abilities whenever possible and "Masochist" was no exception.

What is the origin of your ideas, and how do you connect progressive disharmonies and brutal tunes?

Generally, I'll come up with ideas from riffs from guitar exercises and from mistakes while working on guitar exercises. Mistakes can sometimes turn into awesome ideas. I always have music playing in my head, also. Sometimes I'll have a riff that I created in my head, maybe subconsciously, and if the riff stays in my head, I'll put it on guitar and make a song. That's how I came up with the main riff in "The Dead Within".

Why do you prefer that kind of music? What about simple, raw and primitive Death Metal?

It might sound weird but I don't really listen to very much metal these days. I listen mostly to classic rock, which is where I get a lot of my ideas, and modern rock. I feel a lot of times that raw, primitive death metal has been done so many times by so many people that it wouldn't be fun for me. I love challenges so I play technical death metal.

Are you looking for musicians to play live? That music has to be on stage!

We are not currently looking for musicians since, for the most part, Domination Through Impurity is a studio band. Who knows, though? Maybe we'll get a tour offer that is too good to turn down and I'll have to assemble a full band, which won't be very hard since Jordan is such a slow drummer and my riffs are easy to play! Ha, ha!

You have had a bass player for some time. Was he overwhelmed with you guys?

Our former bass player, Dan Royer, was 18 when he played with us. We practiced at 6 in the morning usually since that was the only time mine and Jordan's schedule intersected and Dan couldn't keep up with our crazy rehearsal times. Jordan kicked him out then I talked Jordan into letting him back in then Dan didn't show up to the next practice. Ha, ha! He really made me look like an asshole. Dan is still my best friend, though and lead singer in Pain After Death.
It can be an advantage because we don't have to worry other members not being able to keep up with us musically, or schedule-wise but honestly, it is nice to have other ideas and opinions during the creative process as well as other people to help me insult Jordan at practice and tell him how gay he is. Hahaha!!!

How important is sophisticated music within the Death Metal scene? Do you think the fans understand what you want?

If the fans understand what I want, maybe they could tell me! haha. I'm not even quite sure what I want out of this other than to entertain those who find some kind of happiness listening to the music I create. I'm not really sure how to answer the importance of sophisticated music in the Death Metal scene. Sophistication is a matter of perspective and my perspective is a little out of date. I think variety is important in the Death Metal scene. If we all sounded the same, this shit would be boring.

Sometimes I think your music has something futuristic besides the brutal tunes. Does the cover stand for that maybe?

The cover is supposed to represent somebody being taken over by something dark and evil which will make them stronger but will ultimately destroy them. I don't know about the futuristic thing. A lot of people say they don't like the cover but I don't buy albums to sit around and look at the cover all day. I buy albums to hear music.

You have to separate different musical projects. How do you distinguish D.T.I. and DIVINE HERESY musically, for example?

It's pretty easy. The styles are very different. Divine Heresy writing is more "inside the box" and 90 percent of D.T.I. riffs wouldn't fit in the band. If I come up with a riff, I just think about which band it would fit it and build a song accordingly.

What does D.T.I mean to you, just a nice change from the other projects you do or is it in your absolute focus?

D.T.I. is a band where there are no deadlines, no stress outside of playing our instruments, and mostly very fun. It's all about the playing and having fun, not about the bullshit politics that I've had to deal with in the bigger bands I've played in. When money and egos are involved, it becomes a job and loses a lot of the luster. There have been times where I've hated touring and playing music because of fights, politics, percentages, mismanagement, along with a long list of other headaches. D.T.I. is fun and hopefully always will be.

What keeps you going in the scene? What do you like and what pisses you off?

What keeps me going is the fact that I feel like I belong in music. I don't think I only belong in death metal but definitely in heavy music. Also, sometimes I'll hear another badass metal album and I think "Oh yeah? Well look what I can do!" and I release another record. haha. I like the fact that I can inspire people and even relate to them through my writing. People I don't know. I think that's a pretty powerful thing and I can only hope that in my lifetime, I'll be able to see the full extent of whatever impact my musical creations make.

Have we to wait another 5 years for the next blast? Is it maybe question of time to promote the band?

Maybe I'll make the metal scene wait 10 years this time! haha. I'm not really sure how long it will take to write and record the next album. I promise, though it will be worth the wait, or else I'll refund your money personally! (not applicable in France). haha! Danke schön und hoffentlich werde Ich bald Deutschland wieder besuchen.

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